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mariapit

montreal
19 Posts

Posted - 08/04/2005 :  18:15:25  Show Profile
Hello,

I was wondering, does every applicant have to go for an interview with a citizenship judge? What is the normal procedure? I know we have to write a test, but what about after...do we have to pass an interview as well?? Please elaborate...

Thank you,
Maria

arifiano

Toronto
93 Posts

Posted - 08/05/2005 :  10:16:04  Show Profile
1. No every applicant does not go through an interview.

2. There are two main ways you could be selected for an interview a) by random b) if there are questions about your residency. Meaning that if the CIC has any doubts about the number of days you spent in Canada as claimed in your application, they will have you meet a judge.

3. Yes you have to pass the test and/or be recoommended by the judge, If you get called in with the judge, you have to prove your language abilities, your knowledge of Canada and also prove your residency. Meaining they will ask for tax documents, leases, bank statements etc, anything that shows that you were in Canada for the days you mentioned in your citizenship application. And yes the judge has to approve your case before you can move forward. If he denies it, than things are not good for you.

If everything goes well, you should be called for an oath ceremony.


quote:

Hello,

I was wondering, does every applicant have to go for an interview with a citizenship judge? What is the normal procedure? I know we have to write a test, but what about after...do we have to pass an interview as well?? Please elaborate...

Thank you,
Maria


mariapit

montreal
19 Posts

Posted - 08/05/2005 :  23:05:35  Show Profile
Thank you for the response.

Do many cases wind up with the immigration judge or do the majority go straight to the written exam? Also, what kind of things can make a case be given to an immigration judge? How can they be suspicious of anything when all they have is an application paper, and no copies of any documents such as passports, bank statements, etc? Can you give me an example of what would be considered suspicious?

Thank you.

arifiano

Toronto
93 Posts

Posted - 08/08/2005 :  09:51:26  Show Profile
I do not know the statistics on citizenship applications but I would think that most would not go to a citizenship judge because that would be quite impossible.

So what may cause ur application to go to a Judge:

1. Totally random

2. Insufficient number of days in Canada in your application. meaining you have to show u were physically present in Canada for1095 days in Canada but if in your application you had 1000 days, than you will see a judge.

3. Some people have said that with the new PR cards CIC can actually track your entry when coming into Canada. Meaning that when a customs officer scans it at the port of entry, it creates a record. So that would mean that CIC can check against that log to verify that what you have in the application matches what they have in the database. But this is all heresay and I do not know if it is 100 % true.

Also CIC wants you to bring all your current and expired passports to the Citizenship test and if they want they can take a look at them and verify your days outside the country but looking at the entry or exit stamps of other countries.

Finally, CIC is not here to make our lives harder. They are just following a set of rules, regulations and laws. So I would just be as honest as you can in your application and not exaggerate the facts.

Good Luck



quote:

Thank you for the response.

Do many cases wind up with the immigration judge or do the majority go straight to the written exam? Also, what kind of things can make a case be given to an immigration judge? How can they be suspicious of anything when all they have is an application paper, and no copies of any documents such as passports, bank statements, etc? Can you give me an example of what would be considered suspicious?

Thank you.


mariapit

montreal
19 Posts

Posted - 08/08/2005 :  18:12:59  Show Profile
Thank you for the response. Can you tell me in more detail about the day of the test? First you do the test, then show the passport, have a chat with an official, etc and then?? Or is this the wrong order?

Thanks!

arifiano

Toronto
93 Posts

Posted - 08/08/2005 :  18:47:28  Show Profile
1. You show up for the test.
2. Give the CIC officer your sheduling letter.
3. They pull out your file
4. CIC officer asks your IDs, PR CARD or IMM 1000 and your Passport.
5. CIC officer may take a closer look at your passport or may just skim through it. In my case they did not even look at the passport. In my cousin's case, the officer went through it thoroughly and even asked questions and compared to what was on the application. So it is basically your luck.
5. They give you a pencil and an anwer sheet.
6. You take the test.
7. You leave the test center.

PMM

Vancouver
2327 Posts

Posted - 08/09/2005 :  14:45:49  Show Profile
Hi

quote:

1. You show up for the test.
2. Give the CIC officer your sheduling letter.
3. They pull out your file
4. CIC officer asks your IDs, PR CARD or IMM 1000 and your Passport.
5. CIC officer may take a closer look at your passport or may just skim through it. In my case they did not even look at the passport. In my cousin's case, the officer went through it thoroughly and even asked questions and compared to what was on the application. So it is basically your luck.
5. They give you a pencil and an anwer sheet.
6. You take the test.
7. You leave the test center.



One addition, in Montreal only, if you pass the test (scored immediately) you take the oath the same day.



PMM

mariapit

montreal
19 Posts

Posted - 08/09/2005 :  23:33:33  Show Profile
They check your results on the spot? How long will that take? (Yes, I will be taking mine in Mtl, thanks for the additional info!)

kamikami

Delhi
80 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2005 :  19:06:20  Show Profile
Just a little clarification about arifiano's comment. It should be clarified that it is Citizenship and Immigration (CIC) that handles immigration matters and the scanning of PR card at the port of entry, and not customs. Customs falls under the jurisdiction of Revenue Canada.

Kamalesg

PMM

Vancouver
2327 Posts

Posted - 08/19/2005 :  23:31:14  Show Profile
Hi

quote:

Just a little clarification about arifiano's comment. It should be clarified that it is Citizenship and Immigration (CIC) that handles immigration matters and the scanning of PR card at the port of entry, and not customs. Customs falls under the jurisdiction of Revenue Canada.

Kamalesg



Not anymore, it is the Canadian Border Security Agency, with includes Customs, Immigration Poe, Agriculture, etc.



PMM

kamikami

Delhi
80 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2005 :  12:11:16  Show Profile
Actually when I made that comment I intended to explain that the immigration and customs roles are distinct and should not be confused for one or the other. Even though the formal agency handling customs and immigration is now called CBSA (integrating all the major federal departments related to port of entry formalities), the functions are still pretty different.

That's what I meant. However, thanks for clarifying that CBSA is the new agency. So, CIC and Revenue Canada do not exist any more?????? I had my eyes on working with CIC when I became a citizen :) And, are you sure CBSA is not just for the border areas between Canada, Mexico and the US?

PMM

Vancouver
2327 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2005 :  14:02:11  Show Profile
Hi

quote:

Actually when I made that comment I intended to explain that the immigration and customs roles are distinct and should not be confused for one or the other. Even though the formal agency handling customs and immigration is now called CBSA (integrating all the major federal departments related to port of entry formalities), the functions are still pretty different.

That's what I meant. However, thanks for clarifying that CBSA is the new agency. So, CIC and Revenue Canada do not exist any more?????? I had my eyes on working with CIC when I became a citizen :) And, are you sure CBSA is not just for the border areas between Canada, Mexico and the US?



Yes CIC still exsists, for citzenship, inland processing, visitors. CBSA now has POE Immigration, Investigations, Removals from CIC.



PMM

kamikami

Delhi
80 Posts

Posted - 08/25/2005 :  14:19:58  Show Profile
Thanks for the info PMM.

jjohn

Toronto
4 Posts

Posted - 08/26/2005 :  23:47:59  Show Profile
quote:
"3. Some people have said that with the new PR cards CIC can actually track your entry when coming into Canada. Meaning that when a customs officer scans it at the port of entry, it creates a record. So that would mean that CIC can check against that log to verify that what you have in the application matches what they have in the database. But this is all heresay and I do not know if it is 100 % true"


Has this been verified by anyone?

Samy

mississauga
95 Posts

Posted - 08/27/2005 :  15:27:58  Show Profile
Hello
Yes I think its true.One of the reasons that PR cards are there is absolute identity and record of one's exit/entry.At the port of entry, they do scan the PR card. Now the big deal is THAT there is a 'check and clearance from immigration 'before transferring the file to a local CIC office or even after that'.Let me say the way too.....any guy just traveled before appearing in the test, the record is there and dependng upon the situation, there may be clarifications/varifications. These are ALL security things these days.....I guess.
So NO two guys will have the same situation. This our forum reflects the experiecnces, where a personal situation may be matched.

Samy

kamikami

Delhi
80 Posts

Posted - 08/28/2005 :  18:02:30  Show Profile
quote:

quote:
"3. Some people have said that with the new PR cards CIC can actually track your entry when coming into Canada. Meaning that when a customs officer scans it at the port of entry, it creates a record. So that would mean that CIC can check against that log to verify that what you have in the application matches what they have in the database. But this is all heresay and I do not know if it is 100 % true"


Has this been verified by anyone?



If CIC does not record a entry for arrivals, or the magnetic stripe is incapable of storing such information, it would render the basic point of computerization useless - that is, to maintain information efficiently and reliably. Considering the investment and the work that went into the design of PR cards, along with the incorporated security features, I am of the opinion that it is not merely hearsay.

However, what exactly do you mean by the term application? What application are you referring to?

Kamalesg

Moderator

Ontario
11898 Posts

Posted - 08/29/2005 :  11:25:13  Show Profile
quote:


quote:


"3. Some people have said that with the new PR cards CIC can actually track your entry when coming into Canada. Meaning that when a customs officer scans it at the port of entry, it creates a record. So that would mean that CIC can check against that log to verify that what you have in the application matches what they have in the database. But this is all heresay and I do not know if it is 100 % true"


[quote]
Has this been verified by anyone?


Hello everyone,

According to a PR Card Call Centre Representative, the PR Card would not necessarily keep track of any entry into Canada and exits out of Canada.

It was also stated that, even if it did, this information would probably not be readily available for the PR Card holder for purposes of keeping track of their residency requirements.

If is up to each individual to keep track of their exits and entries and that they are fulfilling their requirements.

We suggest that you contact the PR Card Call Centre for verification on this information. You can contact them here:

1-800-255-4541 (In Canada Only)

I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.

=====
Anna
Settlement.Org Information and Referral Specialist

annewenn

vancouver
9 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2005 :  03:15:33  Show Profile
Hello, Could i leave canada after i submit the application for the citizenship? do the immigration judge care about how many days i live outside canada after the date i apply for the citizenship?
Thanks so much.

kooroshkabir

toronto
19 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2005 :  16:39:23  Show Profile
Or leave canada by land through usa and then to your destination. They never check at the usa - canada border ur PR card. u may need a visa for usa but it is worth.

quote:

Hello, Could i leave canada after i submit the application for the citizenship? do the immigration judge care about how many days i live outside canada after the date i apply for the citizenship?
Thanks so much.


PoorPakistani

vancouver
169 Posts

Posted - 03/18/2006 :  13:33:01  Show Profile
My PR was checked every time I crossed USA-Canada border (except once everyone was sleeping in greyhound bus and there were only 7 passengers).
Usually, everyone gets off the bus and then CIC officer asks what were you doing in USA, when you left Canada, then asks me to verify my exit date with Bus ticket or US entry stamp on passport.
Now all the PR card holders require US visa, therefore they will get entry date stamped on their passports.


Proud to be a Pakistani and Canadian

blitzwalker

longueuil
11 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2006 :  01:03:35  Show Profile
i was just wondering what happens if all of the family members except for one meet the residency requirements...im just curious...cause were are most probably going to have a hearing in january...please let me know if any of u are aware of a such a situation
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