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user
Ontario
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 Posted - 07/22/2003 : 13:32:54
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I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything .
Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
I have tried going to HRDC, recruiters, straight forward to employers...etc. None of them give you any information , just simply humiliate you and laugh at you, they don't even take resume from you. I don't understand what this attitude is about.
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Flyer
toronto
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Posted - 07/23/2003 : 10:51:17
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I can't speak much to the humiliation you feel. You feel it, and as a fellow Canadian, I am sorry situations have developed that have left you feeling that way.
But I do have one question: What sort of information are you looking for from recruiters or employers or from HRDC or from HRDC sponsored programs?
Just my two cents from somewhere in Toronto,
Flyer
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can
Toronto
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Posted - 07/23/2003 : 12:48:51
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DeAR USER ,
I am also a newcomer to Toronto pleae talk me
Thank s a lot to dealing this problemquote:
I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything .
Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
I have tried going to HRDC, recruiters, straight forward to employers...etc. None of them give you any information , just simply humiliate you and laugh at you, they don't even take resume from you. I don't understand what this attitude is about.
arazican
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Ontario
8727 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2003 : 14:05:38
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I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything . Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
Canadian employers and service providers can be difficult to deal with at times, as they can be anywhere else in the world.
As difficult as this may be to hear, you may need to look at how you are approaching employers, recruiters, etc. Many newcomers find that the job search process in Canada is completely different from what they are used to in their country of origin. The importance of a resume, how you emphasize your skills, how demanding you are about how you are entitled to a job since you were accepted as an immigrant here, the attitude that a potential employer picks up through your communication or what they perceive as what you are communicating.
The employer is looking to you to prove to them why they should hire you out of the pool of resumes that they receive whenever a job is advertised.
All of these are tremendous challenges for newcomers to deal with when all you want is someone to recognize your talents and skills and give you a chance to prove yourself!
You may find it worthwhile spending some time with some people who have expertise in helping newcomers and others to find work. I'm not sure where you are in Ontario, but all communities have organizations who's work it is to help people find work and understand the Canadian job market and employer expectations. You can find listings of these organizations in our Ontario by Region section. Click on the city/region where you live and then either contact the Major Immigrant/Refugee Serving Organizations that are listed there or click on Employment and contact organizations listed there.
Many of these groups have experience working with internationally trained professionals and can help you with your job search and making positive contact with employers.
[R]http://www.settlement.org/site/REGIONS/home.asp
I hope this information is helpful.
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Marco
Content Coordinator
Settlement.Org
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dude
north york
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Posted - 09/25/2003 : 21:18:37
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It seem very characteristic of this society and the inherent culture that
the Employment Sector deals with job-seekers in these contemptuous and disparaging manner. How very discouraging for immigrants.
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dsaram
Toronto
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Posted - 09/25/2003 : 22:40:33
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quote:
I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything .
Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
I have tried going to HRDC, recruiters, straight forward to employers...etc. None of them give you any information , just simply humiliate you and laugh at you, they don't even take resume from you. I don't understand what this attitude is about.
I am in Canada just under 2 months without a success and yet to try all methods to find a job.
But what I cannot understand is one way we hear that Canada needs more people with qualifications. On the other hand we here that every immigrant says it is very difficult to find a job.
EDS
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Ontario
8727 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2003 : 23:33:22
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I am in Canada just under 2 months without a success and yet to try all methods to find a job.
2 months of job searching in a new country is not a long time and you should not get frustrated. You need to be patient and ensure that your job search strategy is effective in the Canadian Labour Market. If you have not already, may I suggest that you contact some local employment programs and services for advice, support and assistance in your job search.
While you have not outlined your qualifications, there are many organizations that serve highly skilled newcomers to Ontario. Some of these programs also have work experience components, which help you to gain some on-the-job experience and connect with emloyers. Your profile indicates that you are in Toronto. You can find listings of these types of programs in our Ontario by Region section - Toronto listings:
[R]http://www.settlement.org/sys/regions_detail.asp?doc_id=1003043#EM
Find out more about how these organizations can help you in this article:
Why should I get help to find work?
http://www.settlement.org/sys/faqs_detail.asp?faq_id=4000479
There is help for newcomers to Ontario. You need to find people who can work with you to ensure that your job search is effective and that you are putting your energy in the right approach and strategy.
I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Marco
Content Coordinator
Settlement.Org
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Recent Immigrant
Aurora
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Posted - 09/30/2003 : 20:22:12
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Hi
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As difficult as this may be to hear, you may need to look at how you are approaching employers, recruiters, etc. Many newcomers find that the job search process in Canada is completely different from what they are used to in their country of origin. The importance of a resume, how you emphasize your skills, how demanding you are about how you are entitled to a job since you were accepted as an immigrant here, the attitude that a potential employer picks up through your communication or what they perceive as what you are communicating.
The employer is looking to you to prove to them why they should hire you out of the pool of resumes that they receive whenever a job is advertised.
I too am a recent immigrant, and can only re-inforce the above quote. I found employment in my own field within 2 weeks after arrival, but this was after I spent 2 years preparing my job-search. After all, as newcomer you need to show that your are eligable to work, and will make a contribution to the possible employer.
You need to consider your every move as there is only one chance to make a first impression. And yes, I fully recognize that I may have been lucky, but then again careful preparation increases your luck.
It is hard work settling in a new country. But also, I have only been treated with respect.
Thanks,
Peter
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Flyer
toronto
97 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2003 : 15:38:47
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It seem very characteristic of this society and the inherent culture that
the Employment Sector deals with job-seekers in these contemptuous and disparaging manner. How very discouraging for immigrants.
Anybody going from any culture to another will feel like this. Friends and family who work overseas have told this to me. This feeling of rudeness seems to be a world wide phenomena. However, my friends and family also say the rudeness is actually misunderstandings and miscommunication.
Job search is done differently here then anywhere else. People do no not mean to be contemptuous or disparaging. They act differently then newcomers may be used to. But, Canadians will not change this for anybody. Nor will they bend their practices in order to fit your agenda.
Every successful newcomer to this country I have ever talked to talks about the importance of communication skills. Communication is more then learning the language. It is learning when to say things and how to hold your body as you say them.
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kris
New Delhi
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Posted - 10/30/2003 : 12:26:39
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I guess experiences in a new setting can be quite subjective...as I see two opposite set of experiences. I suppose thats speaks volumes. Nothing is absolute, but I guess the trials of settling in a new land with new culture and in a new environment !
With best wishes
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Moderator
Ontario
8727 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2003 : 11:04:06
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I guess experiences in a new setting can be quite subjective...as I see two opposite set of experiences. I suppose thats speaks volumes. Nothing is absolute, but I guess the trials of settling in a new land with new culture and in a new environment !
Yes, kris, that is truly the point. I can probably cite more experiences of people who have been truly happy with their immigration experience to Canada, but even they will tell you that it took time, patience and had moments of true frustration.
There is nothing easy about immigrating to a new country, that's for sure.
I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Marco
Content Coordinator
Settlement.Org
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Charity
Lusaka
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Posted - 11/19/2003 : 10:42:33
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Well I am not yet an immigrant......just aspiring! Can anyone tell me the best way to prepare before hand so that when we come we do not have problems findng a job ? Both my husband and i are environmental scientist.
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Rex
Manila
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Posted - 11/24/2003 : 04:17:25
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Hello.
I am an aspiring immigrant. My application have been submitted 2 years so I'm just waiting for the results. What would you advise about having a job even before landing in Canada? Is this possible?quote:
I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything .
Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
I have tried going to HRDC, recruiters, straight forward to employers...etc. None of them give you any information , just simply humiliate you and laugh at you, they don't even take resume from you. I don't understand what this attitude is about.
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Moderator
Ontario
8727 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2003 : 11:03:33
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Well I am not yet an immigrant......just aspiring! Can anyone tell me the best way to prepare before hand so that when we come we do not have problems findng a job ? Both my husband and i are environmental scientist.
It's good that you are planning and trying to find out what you need to do before you arrive in Canada. Too many newcomers show up in Canada without being properly prepared for the Canadian labour market and are quite shocked as a result.
The first thing you can do is to find out more about your profession here in Canada, what is expected of you, what your educational and professional credentials will mean to employers here and how to find work effectively in Canada. Our Employment section is filled with articles, links and information that will help you to prepare:
http://www.settlement.org/site/EM/home.asp
Spend some time in our Professions and Trades section, to find out more about issues facing foreign-trained professionals:
http://www.settlement.org/site/EM/ftp.asp
Tell us a bit more about what type of scientist you are (biology or engineering) and we can further direct you to professional and industry resources in Canada.
I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Marco
Content Coordinator
Settlement.Org
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Ontario
8727 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2003 : 11:08:18
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I am an aspiring immigrant. My application have been submitted 2 years so I'm just waiting for the results. What would you advise about having a job even before landing in Canada? Is this possible?
It is possible, but not easy. It can certainly help your immigration application if you have arranged employment. However, from an employer's perspective, they may not be willing to wait for you to get your visa.
In my experience, most people who have arranged employment have come as Temporary Workers first and then have eventually applied for Permanent Resident status. Others who come as immigrants have had employment arranged for them by friends or family members who are already in Canada.
What you will certainly want to do is to research the labour market before you arrive and begin making contact with potential employers, to find out what trends and opportunities await you. Find out more about what you can do in these sections and articles on our site:
Job Listings
http://www.settlement.org/site/EM/job_listings.asp
How can I find information about companies in Ontario?
http://www.settlement.org/sys/faqs_detail.asp?faq_id=4000557
Finding a Job
http://www.settlement.org/site/EM/finding_a_job.asp
Professions and Trades
http://www.settlement.org/site/EM/ftp.asp
I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Marco
Content Coordinator
Settlement.Org
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ferdi_heng
Pickering
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Posted - 12/26/2003 : 14:18:44
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Hi,
Just to share something about job searching. I have been here (Pickering) for almost 3 years.
What I experienced is really hard to get my dream job (Web/SOftware Developer). I went to ESL coop, volunteers (3 places) and finanlly I got my job and I've been working for1 year.
I think coop and volunteer program will help a lot. Because we enter at least a real workplace (although you work for free) and can build networking to find a job.
Regards
Ferdi
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I have landed in Canada for at least over 6 months, I had been trying to find a job really hard, whatever I tried, people just trying to fool you around and treat you like a complete idiot without telling you anything .
Is it how it is in Canada as a new immigrant?!
I have tried going to HRDC, recruiters, straight forward to employers...etc. None of them give you any information , just simply humiliate you and laugh at you, they don't even take resume from you. I don't understand what this attitude is about.
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I am in Canada just under 2 months without a success and yet to try all methods to find a job.
But what I cannot understand is one way we hear that Canada needs more people with qualifications. On the other hand we here that every immigrant says it is very difficult to find a job.
EDS
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Moderator
Ontario
8727 Posts |
Posted - 12/31/2003 : 10:13:32
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Just to share something about job searching. I have been here (Pickering) for almost 3 years. What I experienced is really hard to get my dream job (Web/SOftware Developer). I went to ESL coop, volunteers (3 places) and finanlly I got my job and I've been working for1 year. I think coop and volunteer program will help a lot. Because we enter at least a real workplace (although you work for free) and can build networking to find a job.
First of all, thanks very much for sharing your story and congratulations on finding work in your field!
This is an excellent example of both how long it can take to find the work you want but how helpful community-based employment programs can be. There are many services available to you at low or no cost where you live and you should find out about them when you are looking for work.
The co-op program ferdi mentions is one excellent way to get around the "Canadian Experience" barrier many of you are forced to deal with. These programs can help you make contact with an employer, get some experience and even get a job with that same or other employer.
Find out more about these types of programs and where you can find them in your community:
Why should I get help to find work?
http://www.settlement.org/sys/faqs_detail.asp?faq_id=4000479
I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Marco
Content Coordinator
Settlement.Org
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Flyer
toronto
97 Posts |
Posted - 01/02/2004 : 10:27:34
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Co-Op programs are great but....
They can only take so many people. One of the few co-op programs in Toronto, for example, takes only 200 people a year. With 90 000 people immigrating into Toronto every year, you can see how limited the chances of getting in must be.
I wouldn't rely upon finding a co-op program to get you connected to employers. It is one potential approach to use. However, job search in Ontario, both for newcomers and everybody else, is most successful when a multi-layered approach is used. I'd suggest using MANY different approaches. We only need 1 contact to get a job. But, we will probably need MANY contacts to increase our chances.
Just my two cents from somewhere in Toronto,
Flyer
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ferdi_heng
Pickering
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Posted - 01/07/2004 : 21:36:36
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Yape, It depends on where you are taking the coop. When I register for ESL-COOp in Pickering in 2001. The teacher ask me if I can invite friend as well to join this program since they need more people.
My other suggestion is trying as many way as you can to get yourself into employer door OR at least to attract people with your working experience. What I can share is : I am trying to promote my skill to everybody I met. I print my own business card (name, email, phone, my skills set, on also link to my own website).
Every time I meet people (my friend, or people in bus, go train..etc). I am trying to let them know that I am looking job as... and I have sort of skills :.....
Now, I can see the result by getting website design order. Check out this link below about my portfolio :
http://www.geocities.com/ferdi_heng/web.html
Other thing I can share is : I have built newcomers website which you can find : job posting, job links, news about employment, resume and cover letter recipe,etc in this site. YOu can join the mailing-list and get notify the info by email. Mostly the members are newcomers (75 member now). Please check out this link below :
http://www.newcomers.netfirms.com/
Hopefully it helps and can give us an ideas what we have to prepare and do now as a newcomers.
regards
Ferdi
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Co-Op programs are great but....
They can only take so many people. One of the few co-op programs in Toronto, for example, takes only 200 people a year. With 90 000 people immigrating into Toronto every year, you can see how limited the chances of getting in must be.
I wouldn't rely upon finding a co-op program to get you connected to employers. It is one potential approach to use. However, job search in Ontario, both for newcomers and everybody else, is most successful when a multi-layered approach is used. I'd suggest using MANY different approaches. We only need 1 contact to get a job. But, we will probably need MANY contacts to increase our chances.
Just my two cents from somewhere in Toronto,
Flyer
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alrosario
Halifax
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Posted - 01/09/2004 : 15:15:57
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The Canadian HRDC programs are all crap just a bluff to new comers. Some of the people working in these offices are so dam ignorant I wonder who in hell gave them the job. After speaking to one so-called counselor without any difficulty she tried to sign me up for English classes. By the way, English is the only language I speak and I speak it with an English accent.
Job search is no different in Canada as it is in the rest of the world so save that about it’s being different.
Talking to people who have gone through this job search process is of no use because every one of them has accepted to work in very low profile to what they have worked in and out of their selfishness they want all newcomer to Canada to go through the same process. So not much help there.
Hey Peter! You ran into an employer who was desperately looking for some one and that’s why you got hired in two week if at all that is true because one cannot get haired without out a SIN card and it as usual in Canada takes four to six week for that to happen.
There are so many people moving in and out of the Gulf countries and yet no one get such a hard time. So why is immigrating to Canada so dam difficult? Predigest is the answer.
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Flyer
toronto
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Posted - 01/12/2004 : 09:53:00
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Well...you just bunched me in with stupid people and racists so I'm REALLY wanting to help you now.....
BTW, you even hint in an interview at that "I KNOW SO YOU SHUT UP" attitude you just gave us all, or even show people that's how you treat morons or people you disagree with, you might as well walk out cause they will cross you off their list as fast as their pens can write "NO!!"
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